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Tian Yao: month sets the branch, hour the palace

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Tian Yao: month sets the branch, hour the palace
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Tian Yao is placed from the lunar birth month: month 1 on Ox, then forward. The month cancels between Life and Tian Yao, so the palace follows the birth hour alone. With leap-month examples.

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Tian Yao is placed from the lunar birth month, counting forward from Ox as month 1 until the birth month; which palace it falls in does not change with the month, only with the birth hour.

  • Month 1 is Ox and each month steps one branch forward; the birth month gives Tian Yao, and the Quan Shu rhyme matches the engine for all twelve months.
  • Life and Tian Yao both advance one step per month, so the month cancels: in an Ox-hour chart Tian Yao shares the Life palace, and the other eleven hours take one palace each.
  • A leap month is converted first: the site default counts its first half to the month before and its second half to the month after, so leap month 4 day 10 is Dragon and day 16 is Snake.
Eighteen seconds on Tian Yao: counting months from Ox, how the month cancels so the palace follows the hour, and the last checks: which lunar month, which hour, how a leap month converts.

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Month 1 sits on Ox, then forward

The place of Tian Yao (天姚) answers one question: in which lunar month was the person born.

The placement rhymes in juan 2 of the Quan Shu (紫微斗数全书), the classic Zi Wei compendium, give Tian Yao and Tian Xing one shared entry, and the Tian Yao half reads:

Tian Yao starts from the Ox for month one and runs forward to the birth month; there it is set.

Quan Shu, juan 2, rhyme for Tian Xing and Tian Yao, our translation

As steps: month 1 is Ox, month 2 is Tiger, every month moves one branch forward, and the count stops at the birth month. That branch holds Tian Yao.

Ring of the twelve branches starting at Ox and running through lunar months 1 to 12; Tian Yao sits on the branch of the birth month, and the four branches named in the juan 1 verse (Dog, Rabbit, Rooster, Pig) are marked.Open the full-size diagram

Ring: Tian Yao follows the juan 2 rhyme "month 1 on the Ox, forward to the birth month" and was checked month by month in the engine; the four teal branches come from the first line of the verse in juan 1.

The ring starts at Ox and turns clockwise through lunar months 1 to 12, one branch per month. The engine on this site agrees with the rhyme: charting all twelve months, Tian Yao lands exactly where the count says. The four teal branches are the ones named in a verse of the first juan, taken up in the next section. The month here is the lunar month, and a leap month has to be converted first, which section four shows.

The four branches the verse names

At the end of the entry "What does Tian Yao govern?" in the first juan come several verses, and the first line of the first one is about position:

Tian Yao roams the Dog, the Rabbit and the Rooster, and then enters the Fish as well.

Quan Shu, juan 1, verse following the entry on Tian Yao, our translation

In the old pairing of the zodiac signs with the branches, the Fish palace is the Pig branch, and the answer in the same entry also mentions "dwelling in Pig". Turn the Dog, Rabbit, Rooster and Pig branches into birth months and they are lunar months 10, 3, 9 and 11.

Named in the verseas birth monthsMonth 3: RabbitMonth 9: RoosterMonth 10: DogMonth 11: PigThe other eightnot named in the verseMonth 1 Ox, 2 TigerMonth 4 Dragon, 5 SnakeMonth 6 Horse, 7 GoatMonth 8 Monkey, 12 RatThe position depends on the birth month only; the verse names four of the twelve spots
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Named in the verseas birth monthsMonth 3: RabbitMonth 9: RoosterMonth 10: DogMonth 11: PigThe other eightnot named in the verseMonth 1 Ox, 2 TigerMonth 4 Dragon, 5 SnakeMonth 6 Horse, 7 GoatMonth 8 Monkey, 12 RatThe position depends on the birth month only; the verse names four of the twelve spots
The verse names Dog, Rabbit, Rooster and Pig, which are birth months 10, 3, 9 and 11; the other eight months are not mentioned in it.

What the book says about Tian Yao comes in three layers. The placement rhyme speaks only of position. The verse names positions. The answer paragraph is a long run of conditional remarks, with brightness and companion stars (meeting malefic stars, adding Hong Luan and so on) used as conditions and with wording that dwells on conduct and romance. This page takes the first two layers and makes the position clear; the answer paragraph is an old book describing one kind of situation, and none of it is turned into a conclusion about the reader.

Lunar birth month Branch of Tian Yao Named in the verse
Month 1 Ox no
Month 2 Tiger no
Month 3 Rabbit yes
Month 4 Dragon no
Month 5 Snake no
Month 6 Horse no
Month 7 Goat no
Month 8 Monkey no
Month 9 Rooster yes
Month 10 Dog yes
Month 11 Pig yes
Month 12 Rat no

The month cancels: the palace follows the hour

Once the branch is known, it still has to be counted into a palace. Life takes two steps: first walk forward from Tiger (month 1) to the birth month, then, from that landing spot, walk backward by hours starting at the Rat hour (details in the Life and Body palaces). Each later month moves the Life branch one step forward, and Tian Yao one step forward as well, so the gap between them never changes. The month drops out, and the palace holding Tian Yao is fixed by the hour alone.

Chart all twelve hours of 28 August 1990, which is lunar month 7, day 9: Tian Yao stays on Goat the whole time, while the Life branch slides from Monkey back to Rooster, and the palace name of Goat changes step by step.

Birth hourLife palace onTian Yao inRat hourMonkeySiblingsOx hourGoatLifeTiger hourHorseParentsRabbit hourSnakeWellbeingDragon hourDragonPropertySnake hourRabbitCareerHorse hourTigerFriendsGoat hourOxTravelMonkey hourRatHealthRooster hourPigWealthDog hourDogChildrenPig hourRoosterPartnerTian Yao stays on the Goat branch; the Ox hour puts it in Life
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Birth hourLife palace onTian Yao inRat hourMonkeySiblingsOx hourGoatLifeTiger hourHorseParentsRabbit hourSnakeWellbeingDragon hourDragonPropertySnake hourRabbitCareerHorse hourTigerFriendsGoat hourOxTravelMonkey hourRatHealthRooster hourPigWealthDog hourDogChildrenPig hourRoosterPartnerTian Yao stays on the Goat branch; the Ox hour puts it in Life
The twelve hours of 28 August 1990: Tian Yao stays on Goat, Life slides from Monkey to Rooster, and the palace of Tian Yao runs Siblings, Life, Parents, Wellbeing, Property, Career, Friends, Travel, Health, Wealth, Children, Partner.

The pattern is plain. The Rat hour puts Tian Yao in Siblings, the Ox hour in Life, the Tiger hour in Parents, and from there every later hour moves the palace name one place back along the palace order. Twelve hours fill all twelve palaces exactly once.

Leap months: convert first, then count

Tian Yao is counted by month, and the lunar calendar has leap months. The site default is to count days 1 to 15 of a leap month as the month before and day 16 onward as the month after, with other settings unchanged. Try it on the leap month 4 of 2020:

2 May 2020 · month 4 day 10 (not leap)Month 4,day 10ordinary monthconvertTakemonth 4four from OxcountTian Yao:DragonOx Tiger Rabbit Dragon1 Jun 2020 · leap month 4 day 10Leap 4,day 10first halfconvertTakemonth 4month beforecountTian Yao:Dragonsame as month 47 Jun 2020 · leap month 4 day 16Leap 4,day 16second halfconvertTakemonth 5month aftercountTian Yao:Snakefive from OxBoth dates are in leap month 4, but the two halves take different months and Tian Yao moves one branch
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2 May 2020 · month 4 day 10 (not leap)Month 4,day 10ordinary monthconvertTakemonth 4four from OxcountTian Yao:DragonOx Tiger Rabbit Dragon1 Jun 2020 · leap month 4 day 10Leap 4,day 10first halfconvertTakemonth 4month beforecountTian Yao:Dragonsame as month 47 Jun 2020 · leap month 4 day 16Leap 4,day 16second halfconvertTakemonth 5month aftercountTian Yao:Snakefive from OxBoth dates are in leap month 4, but the two halves take different months and Tian Yao moves one branch
Month 4 day 10 on 2 May 2020 and leap month 4 day 10 on 1 June 2020 both put Tian Yao on Dragon; leap month 4 day 16 on 7 June takes month 5 and puts it on Snake.

That makes Tian Yao a handy checkpoint when two chart tools are compared: it depends only on the converted month, so a difference of one branch shows that the two sides used different month numbers. How schools handle leap months is in leap months, hours and the day boundary.

Checking Tian Yao on a chart: from input to palace

Birth month: the lunar montha leap month is converted to a month number firstBranch: month 1 on Oxcount forward to the birth month, nothing else is usedLife: Tiger as month 1, count backward by hourmonth and hour decide it togetherPalace: count back from Life to Tian Yaothe month cancels, only the hour is leftFour steps from the top; steps two and three both use the month, and it drops out when step four subtracts
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Birth month: the lunar montha leap month is converted to a month number firstBranch: month 1 on Oxcount forward to the birth month, nothing else is usedLife: Tiger as month 1, count backward by hourmonth and hour decide it togetherPalace: count back from Life to Tian Yaothe month cancels, only the hour is leftFour steps from the top; steps two and three both use the month, and it drops out when step four subtracts
Four steps to check Tian Yao: take the birth month, count from Ox to its branch, find Life, then count back from Life to the palace holding Tian Yao.

Two checks

Check one

Born in lunar month 9 at the Horse hour. Which branch and which palace hold Tian Yao?

Month 9 counts to Rooster; in a Horse-hour chart Tian Yao is in the Friends palace.

Check two

Which birth hour puts Tian Yao in the Life palace?

The Ox hour. In every other hour Tian Yao is in some palace other than Life.

The star that is also fixed by month and always keeps a fixed distance from this one is Tian Xing; to see which minor stars follow the month and which the year, compare auxiliary, malefic and minor stars.

Questions readers ask next

Two people born in the same month share the branch of Tian Yao. Why do their palace names differ?

The branch comes from the birth month alone, whereas the palace is counted from the Life palace, which depends on both month and hour. On Tian Yao the month cancels out, so within one month only the hour changes the palace: on the Goat branch an Ox hour gives Life and a Tiger hour gives Parents.

Which month is used when someone is born in a leap month?

That depends on the chart setting. The site default counts days 1 to 15 of a leap month to the month before and day 16 onward to the month after. In the example, leap month 4 day 10 takes month 4 and Tian Yao sits on Dragon; day 16 takes month 5 and it sits on Snake. Other software may push the whole leap month forward, so check first.

How much of what the Quan Shu says about Tian Yao does this page use?

Only the placement rhyme and the positions named in the verse, both of which can be checked directly. The answer paragraph is a string of conditional remarks on conduct that depends on brightness and companion stars, so it cannot leave the whole chart; the page describes how it is written and turns none of it into a conclusion about a person.

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  1. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷二 ↗
  2. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷一 ↗
  3. 香港天文台・公历与农历对照表 ↗

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