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Tian Shang: move the Life palace and the branch moves

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Tian Shang: same palace, branch follows Life
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Tian Shang always sits in the Friends palace, so moving the Life palace moves its branch, five places ahead. A twelve-row table, three charts sharing a Life palace, the book example and what can enter the flank.

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Tian Shang is fixed in the Friends palace of every chart; what changes from chart to chart is the branch that palace sits on, five places ahead of the Life branch, with Tian Shi on the far side of the Travel palace.

  • The Quan Shu's "sixth place ahead of Life" counts the Life palace itself as the first; as steps, that is five branches ahead of Life, the same cell the Friends-palace article reaches by counting six palaces backward.
  • Three charts that differ in birth date, sex and Five Phases bureau but share a Life palace on Dog all put Tian Shang on Rabbit and Tian Shi on Snake: under the default setting it reads only the Life palace.
  • The flank can be entered in three ways: the body palace sits in Travel only for Rabbit-hour and Rooster-hour births; the Travel decade begins at 62 at the earliest; a Travel year comes once in twelve years.
Eighteen seconds on Tian Shang: how a chart with Life on Rat lays out the three positions, the Rat-and-Tiger example in juan 3, and a closing check of the Life branch and the flanked Travel palace.

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The palace stays, the branch moves

Tian Shang (天伤) is always in the Friends palace, which is why its "palace" is the same on every chart. What changes from chart to chart is the branch that palace sits on.

A twelve-row, four-column table: for each branch the Life palace can take, the branches of Tian Shang, the Travel palace and Tian Shi; Tian Shang is always five places ahead of the Life branch, Tian Shi seven, with the Travel palace between them.Open the full-size diagram

Landings come from the site engine (iztro 2.6.0, default settings) and agree with the palace-name rule in the verse on placing Tian Shang and Tian Shi in juan 2.

The article on the Friends palace has already counted the position along the palace order. Here it is moved to branches: count forward from the branch of the Life palace, and the fifth place is Tian Shang, the seventh is Tian Shi, and the sixth is the Travel palace between them. The twelve rows in the picture are the twelve places a Life palace can take.

Three charts, one Life palace

The three charts below differ in birth date, in sex, and in year pillar and Five Phases bureau; they share only a Life palace on Dog. See whom Tian Shang and Tian Shi follow:

3 Mar 1984, Snake hourMale · Jia Zi · Fire 6Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi Snake9 Aug 1987, Rooster hourFemale · Ding Mao · Metal 4Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi Snake21 Nov 1993, Ox hourMale · Gui You · Water 2Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi SnakeYear, sex and bureau all differ; the positions are identical
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3 Mar 1984, Snake hourMale · Jia Zi · Fire 6Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi Snake9 Aug 1987, Rooster hourFemale · Ding Mao · Metal 4Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi Snake21 Nov 1993, Ox hourMale · Gui You · Water 2Life on DogShang Rabbit · Shi SnakeYear, sex and bureau all differ; the positions are identical
Three charts with Life on Dog: a Jia Zi Fire-6 man of 1984, a Ding Mao Metal-4 woman of 1987 and a Gui You Water-2 man of 1993 all have Tian Shang on Rabbit and Tian Shi on Snake.

The result is plain: under the default setting Tian Shang and Tian Shi read only the Life palace, whatever the year or sex. A different placing method changes that, and that is the subject of the Tian Shi article.

The book's example: Shang on Rat, Shi on Tiger

In its passage on the decade and year limits, juan 3 of the Quan Shu gives an example of the "flank":

Tian Shang on Rat, Tian Shi on Tiger, the limit on the Ox palace: this is a double flank.

Zi Wei Dou Shu Quan Shu, juan 3, section on the fortunes of each ten-year limit, our translation

The rule above can be run backward on it. Tian Shang on Rat, five places back, puts the Life palace on Goat. Seven places ahead of Goat is Tiger, which agrees with the book's Tian Shi; six places ahead of Goat is Ox, the palace the example calls "the limit on Ox". A chart with Life on Goat, laid out in the engine, confirms it: Tian Shang on Rat, Tian Shi on Tiger and Travel on Ox, all three matching.

The book's exampleTianShangRatflanksThe limitOxflanksTian ShiTigerWorking back to LifeShang on Ratcount five backLife on Goatengine checkTravel on Oxthe very limitIn the example, the limit means a decade or year that reaches the Ox palace
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The book's exampleTianShangRatflanksThe limitOxflanksTian ShiTigerWorking back to LifeShang on Ratcount five backLife on Goatengine checkTravel on Oxthe very limitIn the example, the limit means a decade or year that reaches the Ox palace
The book puts Tian Shang on Rat, Tian Shi on Tiger and the limit on Ox; working backward gives Life on Goat and Travel on Ox, the flanked place.

When something enters the flank

The flanked palace is always Travel, so the question becomes when something reaches the Travel palace. A chart has three cases.

The body palace: it sits in Travel only for births in the Rabbit hour and the Rooster hour; the other ten hours put it elsewhere. The decade: the age span of the Travel decade depends on the Five Phases bureau, as follows:

BureauTravel decade (engine ages)Water 2ages 62 to 71Wood 3ages 63 to 72Metal 4ages 64 to 73Earth 5ages 65 to 74Fire 6ages 66 to 75Forward and backward decades reach Travel at the same ages: the bureau number plus 60
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BureauTravel decade (engine ages)Water 2ages 62 to 71Wood 3ages 63 to 72Metal 4ages 64 to 73Earth 5ages 65 to 74Fire 6ages 66 to 75Forward and backward decades reach Travel at the same ages: the bureau number plus 60
Ages of the Travel decade: Water 2 bureau 62 to 71, Wood 3 63 to 72, Metal 4 64 to 73, Earth 5 65 to 74, Fire 6 66 to 75.

The year: when the branch of the year is the branch of the Travel palace, once every twelve years. Put together, the flank mostly comes late in life, or is settled once by the birth hour (the body palace).

From the spirit of loss to the limits: where the book's talk lands

Juan 1 gives the two stars a question of their own and begins by naming this one:

Tian Shang is the spirit of wasting and loss above.

Zi Wei Dou Shu Quan Shu, juan 1, question on Tian Shang and Tian Shi, our translation

Most of the discussion after that is about entering a limit: the decade, the minor limit and the year pass through their position or the places they flank, and each entry is followed by a string of conditions on the stars in the same palace. That is the book's own system of verdicts; the site's chart page differs and marks only where Tian Shang is.

  1. Find the Life branch

    See which of the twelve branches carries the Life palace.

  2. Count five and seven

    Five ahead is Tian Shang, seven ahead is Tian Shi, six ahead is the Travel palace between them.

  3. Then see who enters the flank

    Check whether the body palace, a decade or a year lands on Travel; only those can be flanked.

Count the places

Exercise one

Life is on Horse: which branch holds Tian Shang?

Five places ahead of Horse is Pig, so Tian Shang is on Pig; Tian Shi is seven ahead, on Ox; Travel is on Rat, between the two.

Exercise two

For someone in the Earth 5 bureau, at what ages is the Travel decade?

The Earth 5 decades begin at age 5 and Travel holds the seventh decade, ages 65 to 74.

For the other star, read Tian Shi; how the Travel palace itself is read is in the Travel palace; and the difference between flanking and opposite palaces is in opposite, flanking and converging palaces.

Questions readers ask next

Does Tian Shang move with my birth year or sex?

Not under the default setting (the San He school): it reads only the Life palace. Year and sex affect other stars. Only the Zhongzhou method can swap the two stars by the yin or yang of the year branch and by sex, which the Tian Shi article covers in detail.

What does "flanked" mean, and how do I know whether my chart is flanked?

A palace is flanked when it lies between two stars. Tian Shang and Tian Shi sit on either side of the Travel palace, so Travel is always flanked. The body palace, a decade or a year only counts as in the flank when it lands on Travel; check whether any of the three does.

My Life palace is not on Rat. Does the book's "Tian Shang on Rat" example still apply?

The method applies, not that particular branch. When the Life palace moves, all three positions shift together. In the example Tian Shang on Rat, Tian Shi on Tiger and Travel on Ox belong to a Life palace on Goat; for any other Life palace, recount five and seven places ahead.

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  1. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷一:問天傷天使所主若何 ↗
  2. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷三:論行限(天傷天使夾地) ↗
  3. iztro・星盘(宫位字段、本命与运限层) ↗
  4. iztro:紫微斗数宫位系统(宫名与地支、身宫和三方四正) ↗

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