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Tian Ku: Rat on Horse, Ku back and Xu on

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Tian Ku and Tian Xu share one rhyme of juan 2: the Rat year starts on the Horse branch, Ku counts backward and Xu forward to the birth year. The rhyme line by line, the Rat-Horse mirror and five sample charts.

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Tian Ku and Tian Xu share one placement rhyme: the Rat year sits on the Horse branch, Tian Ku counts backward and Tian Xu forward until the birth-year branch, so the two stars always mirror each other across the Rat-Horse line.

  • The rhyme "Ku back from Snake, Xu on from Goat" puts both stars on Horse in a Rat year, then Tian Ku on Snake and Tian Xu on Goat in an Ox year, one stepping back and one forward each year.
  • The branch numbers of the two stars always add to a multiple of twelve, hence the mirror across the Rat-Horse line; only the Rat and Horse years put both in one branch.
  • The three branches named in the juan 1 answer, Ox, Rabbit and Monkey, correspond to Snake, Rabbit and Dog years for Tian Ku, and to Goat, Rooster and Tiger years for Tian Xu.
Eighteen seconds on Tian Ku: Rat on Horse with Ku backward and Xu forward, the two stars as mirror images across the Rat-Horse line, and a closing check of the year branch, the counting direction and the shared Rat and Horse years.

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What do Zi Wei's supporting, malefic and minor stars actually do? ↗

Start on Horse, then take the rhyme line by line

Tian Ku (天哭) is one of the few year-based minor stars whose placement the Zi Wei Dou Shu Quan Shu writes out in full, and the same rhyme governs Tian Xu (天虚) as well:

Tian Ku and Tian Xu start at the Horse palace. From the Horse palace set the Rat; the two tracks part. Ku goes back from the Snake, Xu goes on from the Goat. Count to the birth year and it settles there.

Quan Shu, juan 2, rhyme for Tian Ku and Tian Xu by year branch, our translation

Each of the four lines has its own job. The first gives the start: both stars set out from the Horse palace. The second says that the Rat year is the one placed there. The third separates the tracks: Tian Ku goes back toward the Snake, Tian Xu goes on toward the Goat. The fourth closes: count to the birth-year branch, and the star settles on it.

Two-row table: for the twelve year branches Rat to Pig, Tian Ku lands on Horse, Snake, Dragon, Rabbit, Tiger, Ox, Rat, Pig, Dog, Rooster, Monkey, Goat and Tian Xu on Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog, Pig, Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake; the three branches named in the juan 1 answer (Ox, Rabbit, Monkey) are marked.Open the full-size diagram

Comparison table: spots counted from the juan 2 rhyme "Tian Ku and Tian Xu start at the Horse palace" and matched cell for cell by charting all twelve year branches in iztro 2.6.0; the three marked cells come from the "Ox, Rabbit, Monkey palaces" line of juan 1.

Each column of the table is a year branch. In a Rat year nobody moves and both stars sit on Horse. In an Ox year Tian Ku has stepped back to Snake and Tian Xu forward to Goat; in a Tiger year they are on Dragon and Monkey, and so on, one more step each year. Charting all twelve year branches in the engine gives exactly the cells the rhyme counts out.

One example to walk the rhyme

Three neighboring year branches turn the four lines into moves:

Rat year: going nowhereHorse startthe originNo stepRat yearBoth on Horseone branchOx year: one step eachHorse startthe originKu back, Xu onone stepSnake and GoatapartTiger year: two steps eachHorse startthe originKu back, Xu ontwo stepsDragonand MonkeyfurtherEach later year adds one step to both stars, in opposite directions
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Rat year: going nowhereHorse startthe originNo stepRat yearBoth on Horseone branchOx year: one step eachHorse startthe originKu back, Xu onone stepSnake and GoatapartTiger year: two steps eachHorse startthe originKu back, Xu ontwo stepsDragonand MonkeyfurtherEach later year adds one step to both stars, in opposite directions
In a Rat year both stars sit on Horse; an Ox year puts Tian Ku on Snake and Tian Xu on Goat; a Tiger year puts them on Dragon and Monkey, one more step each year.

By the Rabbit year Tian Ku lands on Rabbit and Tian Xu has reached Rooster; afterwards Tian Ku keeps running backward and Tian Xu forward. After twelve years each star has circled back to its start.

The Rat-Horse line as a mirror

Put the two positions on the ring and the rhyme shows something it never says: within one year branch, Tian Ku and Tian Xu are always mirror images across the line from Rat to Horse. Whatever one gives up in steps, the other gains.

RatOxTigerRabbitDragonSnakeHorseGoatMonkeyRoosterDogPigTigerRabbitPink marks the Rat-Horse line; in a Tiger year Ku is on Dragon and Xu on Monkey, in a Rabbit year on Rabbit and Rooster
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RatOxTigerRabbitDragonSnakeHorseGoatMonkeyRoosterDogPigTigerRabbitPink marks the Rat-Horse line; in a Tiger year Ku is on Dragon and Xu on Monkey, in a Rabbit year on Rabbit and Rooster
The ends of the Rat-Horse line in pink; in a Tiger year Tian Ku is on Dragon and Tian Xu on Monkey, in a Rabbit year on Rabbit and Rooster, each pair mirrored across the line.

In numbers: Rat is 0, Ox is 1, up to Pig as 11. The number of Tian Ku is 6 minus the year number, and Tian Xu is 6 plus it, so the two always add up to a multiple of twelve. The mirror's two ends coincide in only two cases: the Rat year, number 0, and the Horse year, number 6, when both stars share a branch.

The three palaces the first juan names

The juan 1 answer on Tian Ku and Tian Xu is mainly a run of heavy remarks, with its conditions hung on position and companion stars. Just one line gives positions directly:

The Ox, Rabbit and Monkey palaces are fortunate.

Quan Shu, juan 1, answer on Tian Ku and Tian Xu, our translation

To turn Ox, Rabbit and Monkey into birth-year branches the two stars have to be counted separately:

Tian Ku on these threecounted backwardOx: Snake yearRabbit: Rabbit yearMonkey: Dog yearTian Xu on these threecounted forwardOx: Goat yearRabbit: Rooster yearMonkey: Tiger yearSame three positions, different year branches for each star
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Tian Ku on these threecounted backwardOx: Snake yearRabbit: Rabbit yearMonkey: Dog yearTian Xu on these threecounted forwardOx: Goat yearRabbit: Rooster yearMonkey: Tiger yearSame three positions, different year branches for each star
Tian Ku lands on Ox, Rabbit and Monkey in Snake, Rabbit and Dog years; Tian Xu lands on them in Goat, Rooster and Tiger years.

So "Ox, Rabbit, Monkey" are three branches only, and the birth years they correspond to depend on which star is meant. None of the other heavy remarks in the answer is carried over as a conclusion about anyone.

Five charts: from year branch to palace

Five sample charts run the whole way: the year sets the branch, Life sets the palace name.

SampleBornPillarTian KuTian XuLife onChart 16 Jun 1984Jia ZiHorse, PropertyHorse, PropertyRabbitChart 26 Jun 1990Geng WuRat, WellbeingRat, WellbeingDogChart 36 Jun 1988Wu ChenTiger, PropertyDog, SiblingsPigChart 46 Jun 1993Gui YouRooster, CareerRabbit, PartnerSnakeChart 59 Sep 1991Xin WeiPig, LifeOx, WellbeingPigCharts 1 and 2 are a Rat and a Horse year with both stars together; the other three keep them apart
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SampleBornPillarTian KuTian XuLife onChart 16 Jun 1984Jia ZiHorse, PropertyHorse, PropertyRabbitChart 26 Jun 1990Geng WuRat, WellbeingRat, WellbeingDogChart 36 Jun 1988Wu ChenTiger, PropertyDog, SiblingsPigChart 46 Jun 1993Gui YouRooster, CareerRabbit, PartnerSnakeChart 59 Sep 1991Xin WeiPig, LifeOx, WellbeingPigCharts 1 and 2 are a Rat and a Horse year with both stars together; the other three keep them apart
Five sample charts: the Jia Zi and Geng Wu years put both stars together; the Wu Chen year puts Tian Ku on Tiger in Property and Tian Xu on Dog in Siblings; Gui You gives Rooster in Career and Rabbit in Partner; Xin Wei gives Pig in Life and Ox in Wellbeing.

Charts 1 and 2 show the two cases of sharing described above: Jia Zi (甲子) puts both on Horse, Geng Wu (庚午) puts both on Rat. In chart 3, a Wu Chen (戊辰) year, Tian Ku has reached Tiger and Tian Xu Dog, with Life on Pig; counting back from Pig, Tiger is Property and Dog is Siblings. In chart 5, Xin Wei (辛未), Tian Ku lands on Pig, the very branch of Life, so its palace is Life.

  1. Fix the year branch

    Take it by the year boundary the chart uses; under another boundary the year branch may differ.

  2. Count Ku back and Xu on

    The Horse palace holds the Rat year; Tian Ku runs back toward the Snake and Tian Xu on toward the Goat, until the birth-year branch.

  3. Count the palaces from Life

    From the Life branch walk backward through the branches to each star; that gives the palace each one is in.

Its partner, Tian Xu, has a page of its own; the palace order is in the twelve palaces, how Life is found in the Life and Body palaces, and the wider classification of minor stars in auxiliary, malefic and minor stars.

Questions readers ask next

Why do Tian Ku and Tian Xu share a branch in Rat and Horse years?

The rhyme starts the Rat year on the Horse branch, where both stars set out together. In a Rat year neither steps, so both sit on Horse; in a Horse year each has walked six branches and both stand on Rat. In every other year one runs backward and the other forward, so they separate.

Tian Ku is placed by year branch. Do birth month and hour still matter?

The landing branch comes from the year alone, but the palace name is counted from Life, which depends on month and hour. In the samples, a Rat-year chart and a Horse-year chart each hold both stars in one palace, Property and Wellbeing respectively, and that comes from the Life position of each chart.

Why does this page quote only one line of the juan 1 answer on Tian Ku and Tian Xu?

The answer is mostly a run of heavy remarks, hung on position and companion stars, and unusable apart from the whole chart. Only the line on the Ox, Rabbit and Monkey palaces gives positions that can be checked directly, so that line alone is quoted and turned into year branches.

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  1. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷二 ↗
  2. 維基文庫・紫微斗數全書・卷一 ↗
  3. iztro:紫微斗数宫位系统(宫名与地支、身宫和三方四正) ↗

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