Tian Ku: Rat on Horse, Ku back and Xu on
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Tian Ku and Tian Xu share one rhyme of juan 2: the Rat year starts on the Horse branch, Ku counts backward and Xu forward to the birth year. The rhyme line by line, the Rat-Horse mirror and five sample charts.
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Tian Ku and Tian Xu share one placement rhyme: the Rat year sits on the Horse branch, Tian Ku counts backward and Tian Xu forward until the birth-year branch, so the two stars always mirror each other across the Rat-Horse line.
- The rhyme "Ku back from Snake, Xu on from Goat" puts both stars on Horse in a Rat year, then Tian Ku on Snake and Tian Xu on Goat in an Ox year, one stepping back and one forward each year.
- The branch numbers of the two stars always add to a multiple of twelve, hence the mirror across the Rat-Horse line; only the Rat and Horse years put both in one branch.
- The three branches named in the juan 1 answer, Ox, Rabbit and Monkey, correspond to Snake, Rabbit and Dog years for Tian Ku, and to Goat, Rooster and Tiger years for Tian Xu.

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What do Zi Wei's supporting, malefic and minor stars actually do? ↗
Start on Horse, then take the rhyme line by line
Tian Ku (天哭) is one of the few year-based minor stars whose placement the Zi Wei Dou Shu Quan Shu writes out in full, and the same rhyme governs Tian Xu (天虚) as well:
Tian Ku and Tian Xu start at the Horse palace. From the Horse palace set the Rat; the two tracks part. Ku goes back from the Snake, Xu goes on from the Goat. Count to the birth year and it settles there.
Each of the four lines has its own job. The first gives the start: both stars set out from the Horse palace. The second says that the Rat year is the one placed there. The third separates the tracks: Tian Ku goes back toward the Snake, Tian Xu goes on toward the Goat. The fourth closes: count to the birth-year branch, and the star settles on it.
Comparison table: spots counted from the juan 2 rhyme "Tian Ku and Tian Xu start at the Horse palace" and matched cell for cell by charting all twelve year branches in iztro 2.6.0; the three marked cells come from the "Ox, Rabbit, Monkey palaces" line of juan 1.
Each column of the table is a year branch. In a Rat year nobody moves and both stars sit on Horse. In an Ox year Tian Ku has stepped back to Snake and Tian Xu forward to Goat; in a Tiger year they are on Dragon and Monkey, and so on, one more step each year. Charting all twelve year branches in the engine gives exactly the cells the rhyme counts out.
One example to walk the rhyme
Three neighboring year branches turn the four lines into moves:
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By the Rabbit year Tian Ku lands on Rabbit and Tian Xu has reached Rooster; afterwards Tian Ku keeps running backward and Tian Xu forward. After twelve years each star has circled back to its start.
The Rat-Horse line as a mirror
Put the two positions on the ring and the rhyme shows something it never says: within one year branch, Tian Ku and Tian Xu are always mirror images across the line from Rat to Horse. Whatever one gives up in steps, the other gains.
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In numbers: Rat is 0, Ox is 1, up to Pig as 11. The number of Tian Ku is 6 minus the year number, and Tian Xu is 6 plus it, so the two always add up to a multiple of twelve. The mirror's two ends coincide in only two cases: the Rat year, number 0, and the Horse year, number 6, when both stars share a branch.
The three palaces the first juan names
The juan 1 answer on Tian Ku and Tian Xu is mainly a run of heavy remarks, with its conditions hung on position and companion stars. Just one line gives positions directly:
The Ox, Rabbit and Monkey palaces are fortunate.
To turn Ox, Rabbit and Monkey into birth-year branches the two stars have to be counted separately:
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So "Ox, Rabbit, Monkey" are three branches only, and the birth years they correspond to depend on which star is meant. None of the other heavy remarks in the answer is carried over as a conclusion about anyone.
Five charts: from year branch to palace
Five sample charts run the whole way: the year sets the branch, Life sets the palace name.
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Charts 1 and 2 show the two cases of sharing described above: Jia Zi (甲子) puts both on Horse, Geng Wu (庚午) puts both on Rat. In chart 3, a Wu Chen (戊辰) year, Tian Ku has reached Tiger and Tian Xu Dog, with Life on Pig; counting back from Pig, Tiger is Property and Dog is Siblings. In chart 5, Xin Wei (辛未), Tian Ku lands on Pig, the very branch of Life, so its palace is Life.
Fix the year branch
Take it by the year boundary the chart uses; under another boundary the year branch may differ.
Count Ku back and Xu on
The Horse palace holds the Rat year; Tian Ku runs back toward the Snake and Tian Xu on toward the Goat, until the birth-year branch.
Count the palaces from Life
From the Life branch walk backward through the branches to each star; that gives the palace each one is in.
Its partner, Tian Xu, has a page of its own; the palace order is in the twelve palaces, how Life is found in the Life and Body palaces, and the wider classification of minor stars in auxiliary, malefic and minor stars.
Questions readers ask next
Why do Tian Ku and Tian Xu share a branch in Rat and Horse years?
The rhyme starts the Rat year on the Horse branch, where both stars set out together. In a Rat year neither steps, so both sit on Horse; in a Horse year each has walked six branches and both stand on Rat. In every other year one runs backward and the other forward, so they separate.
Tian Ku is placed by year branch. Do birth month and hour still matter?
The landing branch comes from the year alone, but the palace name is counted from Life, which depends on month and hour. In the samples, a Rat-year chart and a Horse-year chart each hold both stars in one palace, Property and Wellbeing respectively, and that comes from the Life position of each chart.
Why does this page quote only one line of the juan 1 answer on Tian Ku and Tian Xu?
The answer is mostly a run of heavy remarks, hung on position and companion stars, and unusable apart from the whole chart. Only the line on the Ox, Rabbit and Monkey palaces gives positions that can be checked directly, so that line alone is quoted and turned into year branches.
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Gua Su (寡宿): Last Branch of the Season Before, Always Eight From Gu Chen ↗
Tian Xu (天虚): Counted from the Horse Palace, Landing Opposite the Birth-Year Branch ↗


