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Tuo Luo: the cell before Lu Cun, and overlap

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Tuo Luo goes on the branch before Lu Cun, never on Rat, Horse, Rabbit or Rooster. A comparison, the "Ji" naming puzzle, the Tuo-Lu-Yang triple and the juan 3 overlap example explain its pattern and the yearly overlap.

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Tuo Luo goes on the branch before Lu Cun, read from the birth-year stem alone. Look the same table up for the year's stem and you get the yearly Tuo Luo; two on one cell is the positional precondition of what the Quan Shu calls die bing, an overlap.

  • The eight landing points are Ox, Tiger, Dragon, Snake, Goat, Monkey, Dog and Pig. Yang stems fall on the cells the book marks Miao and Yin stems on those marked Xian, the reverse of Qing Yang.
  • The "Ji" in "Tuo transforms into Ji" is Tuo Luo's own transformed-qi name. In the juan 2 list it appears next to the Hua Ji of the four transformations, and the two come from different mechanisms.
  • A natal and a yearly Tuo Luo share a cell exactly when the birth-year stem and the year stem give the same Lu Cun cell, so one stem repeats it every ten years.
Eighteen seconds: how Tuo, Lu and Yang form three adjacent cells, how a yearly Tuo Luo is added, and three checks before reading.

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Tuo Luo: the cell before Lu Cun, and never on Rat, Horse, Rabbit or Rooster

In plain words first: Tuo Luo (陀罗) and Qing Yang are neighbors, and both are measured from Lu Cun (禄存). Qing Yang takes the next branch in the sequence, Tuo Luo the previous one. The details of that placement are in the article on Qing Yang; only the result is used here.

Three columns: Yang stems (Yang Wood, Yang Fire and Yang Earth, Yang Metal, Yang Water) put Tuo Luo on Ox, Dragon, Goat and Dog, the Miao cells of the table; Yin stems put it on Tiger, Snake, Monkey and Pig, the Xian cells; the third column lists Rat, Horse, Rabbit and Rooster, where Tuo Luo never lands.Open the full-size diagram

Comparison sketch: Yang stems on the left, Yin stems in the middle, and on the right the four branches Tuo Luo never takes; Miao and Xian follow the juan 3 grading lines.

The picture sorts the ten stems into Yang and Yin. Yang stems put Tuo Luo on the Ox, Dragon, Goat or Dog, the four cells the book marks Miao; Yin stems put it on the Tiger, Snake, Monkey or Pig, the four marked Xian; and the third column, Rat, Horse, Rabbit and Rooster, is where it never goes. The ranking section of juan 3, "Lun Ge Xing Shu Gao Xia" (论格星数高下), puts the same split on one line:

For Tuo Luo the Miao cells are Dragon, Dog, Ox and Goat, and the Xian cells are Tiger, Monkey, Snake and Pig.

Zi Wei Dou Shu Quan Shu (紫微斗数全书), juan 3, the grading line for Tuo Luo; translated for this article

Set beside Qing Yang the direction is exactly reversed. Qing Yang has Yang stems on Xian cells and Yin stems on Miao cells; Tuo Luo has Yang stems on Miao cells and Yin stems on Xian cells.

"Transformed qi called Ji": Tuo Luo's own name, not the Hua Ji of the four transformations

The section "Lun Zhu Xing Fen Shu Nan Bei Dou" (论诸星分属南北斗), juan 2, gives each star a line of attributes, and Qing Yang and Tuo Luo each end with an extra word:

Qing Yang belongs to Metal, a floating star of the Northern Dipper, transformed qi Punishment; Tuo Luo belongs to Metal, an assisting star of the Northern Dipper, transformed qi Ji.

juan 2, the list grouping stars by Dipper and element; translated here

"Punishment" and "Ji" are the transformed-qi names of these two stars; the general remarks of Master Yuchan in juan 1 say it more plainly: "Yang transforms its qi into Punishment, Tuo transforms its into Ji". A few lines further down the same list there is another entry:

Hua Ji belongs to Water and is the Ji Du star.

juan 2, the same list a few lines on; translated here

This Hua Ji (化忌) is the fourth of the four transformations, a mark attached to whichever star the birth-year stem points at: Tian Tong for a Yang Metal year, Tai Yin for a Yin Wood year. One character, two sources:

PointTuo Luo's "Ji"Hua Ji of the fourIn the bookIts transformed-qi nameAn entry of its ownBelongs toThe star Tuo LuoA star the stem picksHow it is fixedCell before Lu CunStem look-up tableOn the chartA landing point of its ownA mark on a starThe four transformations have their own article; this only separates one character with two sources
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PointTuo Luo's "Ji"Hua Ji of the fourIn the bookIts transformed-qi nameAn entry of its ownBelongs toThe star Tuo LuoA star the stem picksHow it is fixedCell before Lu CunStem look-up tableOn the chartA landing point of its ownA mark on a starThe four transformations have their own article; this only separates one character with two sources
The Ji of Tuo Luo is its own transformed-qi name, placed from Lu Cun; Hua Ji is a mark attached to the star the birth-year stem picks. Same character, different sources.

One more naming point is not settled in the book itself. The juan 2 grouping section calls Tuo Luo an assisting star of the Northern Dipper, whereas the Tuo Luo entry later in the same juan and the general remarks in juan 1 write it as a floating star of the Northern Dipper. The text does not explain the difference between the two words, so both are recorded as written. For the four-transformations side, see why Hua Ji is not simply bad news.

Three cells in a row: Tuo, Lu and Yang move together

In plain words: think of Tuo Luo, Lu Cun and Qing Yang as three joined cells; change the stem and the trio slides along the ring of branches.

Take a Yang Earth year: Lu Cun is on the Snake, Tuo Luo on the Dragon, Qing Yang on the Horse, three cells in a row.

RatOxTigerRabbitDragon · TuoSnake · LuHorse · YangGoatMonkeyRoosterDogPigYang EarthTuo · Lu · YangYang Earth year: Tuo Luo on the Dragon, Lu Cun on the Snake, Qing Yang on the Horse
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RatOxTigerRabbitDragon · TuoSnake · LuHorse · YangGoatMonkeyRoosterDogPigYang EarthTuo · Lu · YangYang Earth year: Tuo Luo on the Dragon, Lu Cun on the Snake, Qing Yang on the Horse
In a Yang Earth year Tuo Luo is on the Dragon, Lu Cun on the Snake and Qing Yang on the Horse, three adjacent branches.

The ten stems read best in pairs: Yang Wood with Yin Wood, Yang Fire with Yin Fire, Yang Earth with Yin Earth, Yang Metal with Yin Metal, Yang Water with Yin Water. Within a pair the Yang stem puts Tuo Luo on one cell and the Yin stem puts it on the next. The five pairs start on the Ox, Dragon, Dragon, Goat and Dog, so the Fire pair and the Earth pair land on exactly the same two cells, which is the other face of the Lu Cun verse writing those stems together. In every pair the Yang stem is on a Miao cell and the Yin stem on a Xian cell, in line with the split in the first section.

A yearly one on top: when the natal and yearly Tuo Luo share a cell, it is "die bing"

In plain words: the year has a stem of its own, so the same look-up places a second Tuo Luo, called the yearly Tuo Luo (流陀) on the chart, and a yearly Qing Yang (流羊) in the same way. A yearly Tuo Luo on the cell of the natal one is the positional precondition of what the book calls die bing (迭并), "overlap". Juan 3 has a short section on it, and its text is a position example:

Take a person born in a Yang Metal year with Life at the Rabbit and Travel at the Rooster. If Yang and Tuo are met, and the year is again Yang Metal with Lu at the Monkey, the yearly Yang is at the Rooster and the yearly Tuo at the Goat; so the Life palace at the Rabbit already has Qing Yang at the Rooster facing it, and the year adds yearly Yang and yearly Tuo, which is called the overlap of Yang and Tuo.

juan 3, the Yang-Tuo overlap passage; translated here

In the example the native's natal pair already stands on Rooster and Goat. The year is again a Yang Metal one, so its Lu Cun is also at the Monkey and the yearly pair goes to the same two cells: the two layers coincide. The Life palace is at the Rabbit and the Rooster is its opposite palace, hence the book's remark that the Life palace "already has Qing Yang facing it". So the overlap in the example has two layers: the year's pair lands on the natal pair, and the natal Qing Yang already faces the Life palace from the opposite side. The first layer depends on stems alone, the second on where each chart's Life palace sits; this article computes only the first.

Whether the first layer holds depends on two stems only, the birth-year stem and the year's stem: when they give the same Lu Cun cell, the cells coincide. That covers the same stem, and also Yang Fire with Yang Earth and Yin Fire with Yin Earth. A given stem comes round every ten years, and the Fire and Earth pairs add one more hit per decade. Checked in the engine on the chart of someone born in 1990, a Yang Metal Horse year:

Born 1990, the year 2020Natal TuoGoatcompare2020Geng Ziyearly Tuo: GoatequalDie bingsame cellBorn 1990, the year 2021Natal TuoGoatcompare2021Xin Chouyearly Tuo: MonkeydifferNooverlapdifferent cellOn this chart the yearly Tuo Luo returns to the Goat only in Yang Metal years: 2000, 2010, 2020, 2030
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Born 1990, the year 2020Natal TuoGoatcompare2020Geng Ziyearly Tuo: GoatequalDie bingsame cellBorn 1990, the year 2021Natal TuoGoatcompare2021Xin Chouyearly Tuo: MonkeydifferNooverlapdifferent cellOn this chart the yearly Tuo Luo returns to the Goat only in Yang Metal years: 2000, 2010, 2020, 2030
On the chart of someone born in 1990, the 2020 Geng Zi yearly Tuo Luo is on the Goat, the same cell as the natal one; the 2021 Xin Chou one is on the Monkey, a different cell.

Converting a year depends on the setting: whether the year pillar changes at the Start of Spring or at the lunar new year makes January and February births, and early-year look-ups, differ by one year. Check the setting before counting.

Compare only two stems

The whole procedure fits into three layers:

Birth-year stem → natal Tuo Luoone Lu Cun look-up, take the previous cellYear stem → yearly Tuo Luothe same table looked up againSame cell → overlapsame stem, or Yang Fire with Yang Earth, or Yin Fire with Yin EarthMonth, day and hour take no part in this step
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Birth-year stem → natal Tuo Luoone Lu Cun look-up, take the previous cellYear stem → yearly Tuo Luothe same table looked up againSame cell → overlapsame stem, or Yang Fire with Yang Earth, or Yin Fire with Yin EarthMonth, day and hour take no part in this step
Overlap needs three layers only: the birth-year stem gives the natal Tuo Luo, the year stem gives the yearly one, and equal cells are called an overlap.

Two checks to run by hand

Check A

Born in a Yin Fire year (say 1987): in which years from 2026 to 2040 does the yearly Tuo Luo share a cell with the natal one?

Lu Cun for Yin Fire is on the Horse, so Tuo Luo is on the Snake. The cells coincide only when the year stem is Yin Fire or Yin Earth: 2027 (Ding Wei), 2029 (Ji You), 2037 (Ding Si) and 2039 (Ji Wei).

Check B

The 2026 yearly Tuo Luo is on the Dragon: which birth years have the natal Tuo Luo on the Dragon too?

Tuo Luo is on the Dragon for Yang Fire and Yang Earth births, years ending in 6 or 8, for example 1986, 1988, 1996 and 1998.

How to keep the natal layer and the yearly layer apart is in natal, decade and annual layers. The next star is Huo Xing, whose position moves from one cell per year to one cell per double-hour.

Questions readers ask next

Is Tuo Luo the same thing as Hua Ji?

No. Tuo Luo is a star of its own, placed from Lu Cun. Hua Ji is a mark attached to some star, picked out by the birth-year stem in the four-transformations table. The book happens to use the same character in both places; the two are found and located differently.

Why do Qing Yang and Tuo Luo always stand on either side of Lu Cun?

Both are measured from Lu Cun, one taking the next branch and the other the previous one, so wherever Lu Cun goes they follow. Which palace lies beyond them depends on the Life palace of the chart in hand.

How do I tell whether this year is an overlap year for me?

Start with two stems: the birth-year stem and this year's stem. If the Lu Cun look-up gives the same branch for both, the yearly pair lands on the natal pair. The book's example also has the pair facing the Life palace, which depends on where your Life palace sits; birth month and hour matter only there.

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