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Waite, Marseille and Thoth

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Is card eight Strength or Adjustment?
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The same card number can be a different card in another deck. A side-by-side table, an edition record and a three-column note separate RWS, Marseille and Thoth, and show what to rewrite when you switch.

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A tutorial says card eight is Strength, but your deck prints Adjustment at eight. Most likely nothing is misprinted: you are looking at two systems. Identify yours first, then decide how to read.

  • RWS has VIII Strength and XI Justice, an arrangement Waite himself documents; Thoth's own book lists VIII Adjustment and XI Lust.
  • "Marseille" names a historical pattern, not one person's work; a study has to land on a named maker, reproduction or redraw.
  • After switching decks, refill the "what I see" and "what the book says" columns; "what I think" associations cannot simply be inherited.
Eighteen seconds: three decks side by side, the three-column note, and three checks before switching.

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One number, three decks

You learn from a tutorial that "card eight is Strength", then open your own deck and find Adjustment printed at VIII. Nobody has necessarily made a mistake. Tarot comes in several systems with different numbering, titles and pictures, and the tutorial may not describe the one in your hands.

Three decks side by side: RWS has Strength at VIII and Justice at XI; Marseille is a historical pattern whose specific edition must be checked; Thoth has Adjustment at VIII and Lust at XI.Open the full-size diagram

Comparison sketch: side-by-side lists show differences, not card-for-card equivalence; Marseille is not one fixed specification.

Three common names are worth separating, because they are not the same kind of label. RWS (Rider–Waite–Smith) is the collaboration of A. E. Waite and the artist Pamela Colman Smith. Marseille is a historical pattern. Thoth is associated with the work of Aleister Crowley and Frieda Harris.

VIII and XI: the two most useful checkpoints

CheckRWSMarseilleThothVIIIStrengthCheck the editionAdjustmentXIJusticeCheck the editionLustCourtPage to KingCheck the editionKnight to PrincessThe swap of VIII and XI is the easiest difference between RWS and Thoth
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CheckRWSMarseilleThothVIIIStrengthCheck the editionAdjustmentXIJusticeCheck the editionLustCourtPage to KingCheck the editionKnight to PrincessThe swap of VIII and XI is the easiest difference between RWS and Thoth
Comparison table: RWS has Strength at VIII and Justice at XI; Thoth has Adjustment at VIII and Lust at XI; the Marseille column says to check the specific edition; the court titles differ between the two systems.

In his chapter on Strength, Waite states that he exchanged Strength with Justice, which was ordinarily numbered eight. That is why RWS has Strength at VIII and Justice at XI. Thoth's own book lists VIII Adjustment and XI Lust.

Translated titles vary between editions, so keep the original English beside any translation. Then a difference of wording will not be mistaken for a new card.

"Marseille" is not one person's work

From "Marseille" to the deck in your handsname each stepMarseillepatterna historical typethenMakerwhich onethenReproductionwhich onethenYoureditiontrust its faceThe name points to a kind of deck, not to one deck
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From "Marseille" to the deck in your handsname each stepMarseillepatterna historical typethenMakerwhich onethenReproductionwhich onethenYoureditiontrust its faceThe name points to a kind of deck, not to one deck
From the Marseille pattern, narrow to a named maker, then a named reproduction or redraw, and finally your own edition, whose printed faces are the evidence.

The Bibliothèque nationale de France describes Marseille tarot as a historical pattern with Latin suits, made in more places than Marseille itself. So the name cannot be turned into "invented in a given year by a given person".

Some tutorials discuss a museum card, others a modern restoration, and their colours, printed lettering and details may not be interchangeable. To find out what number a card carries, look at that edition's own face or a traceable catalogue image.

When a design is built mainly from suit emblems, count their number, direction and ornament first, and only then look for that tradition's own way of reading them. A common trap is to describe the action of an RWS figure on a picture where that figure does not exist: a detail that is not in the image cannot serve as evidence.

One page, three columns

What I seerecheck on the cardPeopleAnimalsObjectsWhat the book saysneeds a sourceTitleChapterPageWhat I thinklabelled as mineAssociationsMy questionsNever write the three in one column
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What I seerecheck on the cardPeopleAnimalsObjectsWhat the book saysneeds a sourceTitleChapterPageWhat I thinklabelled as mineAssociationsMy questionsNever write the three in one column
Three-column note: what I see (people, animals, objects, checkable against the card); what the book says (title, chapter, page); what I think (personal associations and questions, labelled as mine).

After switching decks, the easiest mistake is to write three different things in one column. Say you hold a page of notes on RWS VIII and now have to start a new page for Thoth VIII. Work it like this:

Column one

What I see

Look at this card afresh: which people, animals and objects are actually on it.

Column two

What the book says

Look up VIII Adjustment in the Thoth book. Do not carry over the RWS Strength paragraph.

Column three

What I think

Associations can be as free as you like, but afterwards they must not be reported as "the fixed meaning of this card".

The first two columns have to be filled in again; the third cannot simply be inherited. The exercise in symbols versus facts practises the same split.

Keeping the old records after you change decks

  1. Keep the deck field on old records

    Do not delete old notes; add which deck you were using.

  2. Write deck and edition on new ones

    Keywords from two decks must never share a column.

  3. Compare questions, not hits

    To compare two sessions, compare which questions each raised, not which system "hit" more.

Pick the source by purposeWhat theauthor meantread the original bookWhat a moderndeck addedread that edition's notesHistory ofa patterncatalogue or studyThree different jobs; no single beginner's book does them all
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Pick the source by purposeWhat theauthor meantread the original bookWhat a moderndeck addedread that edition's notesHistory ofa patterncatalogue or studyThree different jobs; no single beginner's book does them all
Three purposes, three kinds of source: the author's intent in the original book; a modern deck's additions in that edition's notes; the history of a pattern in a catalogue or historical study.

BaZiFlow's single-card series uses RWS and separates image observation, Waite's text and modern practice. Keep that scope in mind when reading pip and court cards. Mastering one system and then comparing another reveals the real differences more clearly than mixing explanations, unlabelled, in one set of notes.

Questions readers ask next

My deck prints Adjustment at VIII. Is that a misprint?

Most likely not. Thoth's own book is organised that way, while RWS fixed VIII as Strength. Check which system the box or booklet names, then decide which book to consult.

Both decks have a Knight. Can I read them as a matched pair?

No. A court row only lists each deck's members. Position, symbolic role and interpretation have to be looked up in each deck's own source. A correspondence needs a named rule that supports it.

Can my old notes still be used after I change decks?

Keep them as old records, labelled with the deck and edition. Refill the first two columns on a new page, and never merge keywords of two decks or use "which one hit more" to argue that a deck is more powerful.

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Sources & references

  1. A. E. Waite, The Pictorial Key to the Tarot (1911), II: VIII Strength ↗
  2. A. E. Waite and Pamela Colman Smith, The Pictorial Key to the Tarot: contents and card names ↗
  3. Jude Talbot, BnF: Un tarot qui rebat les cartes – Collections (2026) ↗
  4. Aleister Crowley, The Book of Thoth (1944): contents, VIII Adjustment, XI Lust, court cards ↗

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